I finished the next saber video this morning. Today's installment concerns BABIP, and you can find the original post (though very similar to this one) on DRaysBay:
Brad, foul outs are not included in the official definition? I thought they were considered "in play" still, even though they aren't within fair territory?
Then again, they don't count "line drives" that are hit just foul in assessing a hitter's ability, so I guess that's consistent. Still sort of weird though, because that is still an out that a fielder has to make a play on.
I wasn't completely sure and don't want you to think I'm criticizing because I wasn't sure either. I was reading on FanGraphs' new SABR-library link and Remington's BABIP primer about the stat and I don't think they specifically talked about foulouts, but Remington's article has a formula:
So it looks like foulouts are treated as a non-hit and counted as part of the denominator anyway. I think foulouts are considered part of the "zones" for UZR calculations though, right?
It was a good video anyway and I shared it with our Cubs fans :-)
Thanks Kin. Oddly enough, the two websites you mentioned were the very two I used as sources. They didn't really specify, so I had to logically think it through myself. Unfortunately, I wasn't very diligent in my thinking, clearly.
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Brad, foul outs are not included in the official definition? I thought they were considered "in play" still, even though they aren't within fair territory?
ReplyDeleteThen again, they don't count "line drives" that are hit just foul in assessing a hitter's ability, so I guess that's consistent. Still sort of weird though, because that is still an out that a fielder has to make a play on.
Geez, Kin. I totally goofed. I added foul outs as kind of second thought, but it totally isn't part of BABIP.
ReplyDeleteTime to get creative. :/
I wasn't completely sure and don't want you to think I'm criticizing because I wasn't sure either. I was reading on FanGraphs' new SABR-library link and Remington's BABIP primer about the stat and I don't think they specifically talked about foulouts, but Remington's article has a formula:
ReplyDeletehttp://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Everything-you-always-wanted-to-know-about-BABI?urn=mlb-203710
So it looks like foulouts are treated as a non-hit and counted as part of the denominator anyway. I think foulouts are considered part of the "zones" for UZR calculations though, right?
It was a good video anyway and I shared it with our Cubs fans :-)
Thanks Kin. Oddly enough, the two websites you mentioned were the very two I used as sources. They didn't really specify, so I had to logically think it through myself. Unfortunately, I wasn't very diligent in my thinking, clearly.
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